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A Soviet-Nazi Alliance – The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact | BETWEEN 2 WARS I 1939 Part 2 of 3

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  1. If you didn't think this topic is controversial enough already, we have an even more contentious question for you: Is the Soviet Union basically an Axis Power between 1939 and 1941?

    Technically the answer is a definite "no" because the USSR will never sign the Tripartite Pact, but it's still worth thinking about. The USSR and Nazi Germany will cultivate a pretty productive relationship after they sign the Non-Aggression Treaty, not only prompting a joint occupation of Poland but also allowing Hitler to invade Western Europe without having to worry about his eastern borders. So when you look at it like that, the USSR directly supported the Nazi war machine. On the other hand, it is probably a bit of a leap to blame the USSR for Nazi expansionism, and Stalin is forced by circumstances to enter into the Pact. The USSR is not ready to fight a war at this point, and the treaty buys not only time but also space, creating a virtual buffer zone between Germany and the Motherland in the form of Poland. Cynical and calculated, yes, but that's diplomacy for you. Stalin will obviously offer a very extreme interpretation of this second argument after the war, casting Soviet actions as a necessary defensive measure against the imperialism of the Western Powers and their supposed encouragement of Nazi Germany. Stalinist myth-making aside, the argument that defensive considerations is a significant factor in the Soviets signing of the Pact does have some merit.

    This question is more than just an academic exercise. The USSR rightfully gets credit for bearing the brunt of the Nazi onslaught, but would we think differently about it as an Allied power if we also understood as a former Axis power? Let us know what you think below. Stay safe out there.

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  2. Soviets in August of 1939 were engaged in big conflict in Khalkhin Gol with Japanese army. In that situation Stalin was forced to secure Western border from Germany side. Soviets worried about conflict with Japan can rise big war. In other hand if Germany will occupy Poland huge strategic part of land were could go into Germany. So it was better make agreement with Germany. Britain itself before Soviets made peace agreemant wirh Germany.

  3. 1:31 "both fund opposing sides"
    I read that the spanish goverment paid in gold for all the soviet aid it (or it's factions) receieved whilst the rebels got credit from their allies.
    Anyone know more exactly ?

  4. I was wondering, if i should watch "the rise of nazi germany"now, or if i should wait for it to be finished. This was uploaded 3/4 of a year ago on april 1st. It's part 2 of 3. Are you kidding me? Is there going to be a third part?

  5. Non aggression pacts with Hitler:
    26 January 1934 ‘Hitler-Pilsudski’ Germany and Poland
    29 September 1938 ‘Munich Betrayal’ Germany, Great Britain, France, Italy
    30 September 1938 ‘Hitler-Chamberlain’ Germany and Great Britain
    6 December 1938 ‘Hitler-Daladier’ Germany and France
    7 June 1939 ‘Selter-Ribbentrop’ Germany and Estonia
    7 June 1939 ‘Munters-Ribbentrop’ Germany and Latvia
    23 August 1939 ‘Molotov-Ribbentrop’ The USSR and Germany

  6. Hi All, Suggested reading, "Ho" and "The Making of a Quagmire" by David Halberstam.

    Part of the Communist world was called Comintern or Communist International. Sort of a training school for revolutionaries. During the purge of 1937-8, nearly all of the students were purged. Not Ho Chi Minh.

    The revolutionaries that the French faced in Indochina/Vietnam included Communists. I would guess the British felt the same way about their colonies.

    Maybe not the only reason they would be hesitant to do business with the Soviet Union, but it must have been on their mind. Thanks, take care.

  7. This episode leaves me with two questions about the TGH editorial line:
    If the "consensus" is "without Soviet assistance … the Allies have little chance of saving Poland", why was it such a mistake to abandon Czechoslovakia in 1938? There was no Soviet help possible then either. And the British, French & Polish armies had an even bigger advantage in '39 than the French & Czechs had in '38.
    And was it really any worse of Britain and France to "alienate Stalin" after the Great Terror than it was for them to 'alienate' Mussolini after the invasion of Abyssinia?

  8. Stalin and Hitler wanted just to crush each other in the first place. Ribbentropp-Molotov treaty was just a mutual smokescreen. Hitler on spring, 1941 realized, that he lost the war at the moment of signing the Ribbentropp-Molotov pact. That is why he tried to minimize the scale of defeat by attacking Soviets before Stalin hits Germany. We should remember, that Barbarossa began at the moment, when Germany still fought with Britain on the West and began the war against Allies in Africa. The war at three fronts – not a great scenario, even for a military superpower. Only US could simultaneously win on 2 fronts in history. three fronts – it is just too much.

  9. P.S. TimeGhost History? Love the paintings in the background who are they by? They're beautiful just beautiful. Actually… I LOVE the whole room! It kind of reminds me of the inside of the band Tool's 10,000 Days album (3D) photos. And I love what you're wearing!

  10. Apart from being a brilliant discourse on the pre-war events, this youtube episode has reminded me of my favourite 20th century painter: Tamara de Lempicka. For that alone: thanks.
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  11. The first question arises. We talk all the time about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. We repeat this after our European colleagues. Question: was this the only document signed by one of the European countries, then the Soviet Union, with fascist Germany? It turns out that this is not at all the case. I'll just list them with your permission.

    So, the Declaration on the Non-Use of Force between Germany and Poland. This is, in fact, the so-called Pilsudski-Hitler pact. Signed in 1934. In fact, this is a non-aggression pact.

    Then – the Anglo-German naval agreement of 1935. Great Britain provided Hitler with the opportunity to have his own military fleet, which was essentially forbidden to him, or reduced to a minimum by the results of the First World War.

    Then the joint Anglo-German declaration of Chamberlain and Hitler, signed on September 30, 1938, agreed by them on the initiative of Chamberlain. It stated that "the signed Munich agreement, as well as the Anglo-German maritime agreement symbolize …" and so on, and so on. The creation of a legal framework between the two states continued.

    That's not all. Franco-German Declaration signed on December 6, 1938 in Paris by the French and German Foreign Ministers Bonn and Ribbentrop.

    Finally, the agreement between the Republic of Lithuania and the German Reich, signed on March 22, 1939 in Berlin by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Lithuania and the same Ribbentop, stating that the Klaipeda Territory would again be reunited with the German Reich.

    And the Non-Aggression Pact between the German Reich and Latvia of June 7, 1939.

    Thus, the Treaty between the Soviet Union and Germany was the last in a series of those signed by other European countries, as it were, interested in preserving peace in Europe. At the same time, I would like to note that the Soviet Union agreed to sign this document only after all possibilities were exhausted and all the proposals of the Soviet Union to create a unified security system, an anti-fascist coalition, in fact, in Europe were rejected.

  12. Stalin was keeping his enemies closer. He was cool and calculating. Hitler was emotional and temperamental. The weak link in their relationship was they were both psychopaths incapable of loyalty and they each suspected the other was making a secret deal with Britain and France. Stalin, because Britain and France and Germany were all imperialist capitalist…. Hitler because he viewed them all as adversaries over Poland and Russia, France and Britain were allies since the 1st WW. They were both wrong and the alliance was generated by Germany's invasion of Russia. And Churchill made his alliance with the devil when Hitler invaded hell.

  13. The tripartite negotiations were an allies fraud , the purpose was simply to bluff Germany
    making them fear a probable alliance while making sure there would NOT be one .
    it was publicly announced , the delegations went by slow boat , none of the delegates were mandated to sign anything
    there was no military commitment or even numbers put on the table by the Allies ,
    pretty quickly Stalin concluded it was just a show

    the signing of a non-agression pact with Germany was non controversial ,
    a dozen of countries had signed them at some time ,including Britain and Poland

    the secret protocol only spoke of sphere of influences , pure annexations were not mentioned or even thought of ….AS YET
    Stalin was careful to gobble the lands when both Germany and the Allies were too busy with their war to do anything about it .
    even then he dip his diplomatic toe in first and proceeded with the full annexation when no bad reactions was happening

    the Polish border was of course to be brought back to it's proper Curzon line , as the US and Britain agreed later in the war
    the Lithuanians had never agreed loosing their capital to the Poles ,
    neither had the Ukrainians of Galicia forgiven the taking of their main city of Lvov ,
    in fact both had fought a war against the Poles and Pilsusky theory of a "Greater Poland"

    the real killer was the commercial agreement , it ensured food , fuel and resources to Germany ,
    by making the threat of a British blockade useless it removed the best weapon against Germany

    It's not even a sure thing that Hitler wanted a war with the Western powers ,
    there is some ground to believe he would , again , get them to back down

  14. Well, that's still happening…!!! 🙂 Germans and Russians have build Nord-Stream and now they are building the Nord-Stream 2… Germans get gas from Russia and Russians make lots of money on that… That's how they earn the money and can fund their nukes and all other weapons which they turn…. towards US and …towards Germany as well..
    At the same time the Germans want US to protect them from…. the Russians… even if they themselfs spend much less on defence than the avarage Nato member…
    So – that's the US taxpayers who "should" foot the bill protecting Germany!
    So that's quite a kind cooperation which Germans and Russians are practising from years and in which they are really good ;-). The others are less happy about that….

  15. Poland signed a pact with Nazis.
    Japan did.
    Estonia, Latvia, etc.
    France and England signed the pact with Nazis and stripped Chechoslovakians in pieces. (France was an Ally of C/s).
    And 1939 comes the only country that did not sign the pact with Nazis was USSR.
    Guess who is the bad guy. 😀

  16. I am just curious, what's gonna be next? After the conclusion of pandemic history which I am up to date, is the series going back in time to look at maybe Napoleonic war or earlier like Habsburg-Ottoman conflict?

  17. The polish Russian war was the USSR driving through to invade Germany, and getting thrashed. Like the Schlifan plan, in which Germany thought it would ride through Belgium in days. Neither plan succeeded. Stalin was the general who caused the Russian collapse. Man of steel?

  18. You did a good job explaining the diplomatic back stabbing that England and France did when it came to its relations with Czechoslovakia. Poland and Hungary also claimed territory from Slovakia.

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